REASONS WHY YOU MIGHT NOT WANT TO LIVE IN
ORMOND BEACH, FLORIDA - UNLESS
CHANGES ARE MADE
In addition to the airplane noise
issues below, crime has significantly been increasing in the Ormond Beach area,
as well as Tomoka Estates. To check and monitor crime in the area, go to
www.crimereporting.com - both the
City of Ormond Beach and Volusia County Sheriff's Department sends crime data to
this site. Due to crime and airplane noise, the area is not anything like
it was when I moved here in 1996.
Ormond Beach has a very large development starting which will take up to ten
years to complete, Ormond Crossings. As it is now, there are empty
businesses all over the city, homes in foreclosures and for sale and yet, people
are told this project will help the City. It is close to the airport and
actually about ten miles north of the City center, no where near the actual
business centers are. Expect lots of traffic during motorcycle events
because the "worlds largest" Harley Davidson dealer is very near the edge of
this project.
NOTE: This and following pages below will be updated as needed and as more
photos of planes flying over residential areas near the airport are available.
ORMOND BEACH AIRPORT - SAFETY & NOISE
CONCERNS
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Update: 4/1/2011 (not an April fool's joke):
Just recently in 2011, the noise issue has again become a hot
topic. After a Ormond Beach Airport Advisory Meeting with comments in the
minutes that noise complaints were down, several concerned citizens raised their
eyebrows and asked who has been monitoring them. Also, all of a sudden
there has been a large increase of complaints.
A meeting was held with City staff and some local residents, including Vince
Kinsler, previous Chairman of the Noise Abatement Board. The meeting
addressed several items that were recommended at the noise abatement meetings
conclusion but didn't seem to appear to be followed up completely on.
The issue was somewhat addressed at a City Commission meeting.
In order to make items concerning the airport easily accessible, I have decided
to put future items that started in 2011 on a master page with a description of
each link. I will not post everyones email addresses but the context of
what the message was about. If you see XXXX in the page or blank name
areas , I have blocked out a name, email or address.
Here is the link for 2011
UPDATES (CLICK ON THIS LINE)
Update: 12/6/2010:
In November 2010, several of the neighborhood home areas around
the City of Ormond Beach Airport have once again been voicing their concerns
about the increased noise from flight schools as mentioned below. A letter
was sent to the City of Ormond Beach manager about the noise and asking if
certain items have been followed up on since the Noise Abatement Committee
"disbanded" and also to schedule a meeting to discuss these items. In my
personal observations of taking photos and videos of these airplanes not
following a voluntary path around the airport and noise and safety issues I can
document most are from the same flight schools who "promised to be good
neighbors" during the Noise Abatement meetings. Their promises have not
been kept.
Most of the flight schools have planes flying wherever they want to, at any
altitude and jeopardize the safety and the enjoyment of living in the Ormond
Beach area. I am in the processing of switching internet companies and my
email address will be changed in the future.
Update: 6/20/2010:
I haven't done much updating of photos and complaining about the
airplanes not flying the voluntary paths because over half of the flight schools
ignore the suggestion and fly where they want to. But, I am leaving the
documentation here in the event there is a future incident involving a flight
school near the airport. This doesn't mean I haven't taken photos or made
notes, just not publishing them. Even though the task force has completed
its work and is no longer meeting, there are still occasional Aviation Advisory
Board meetings. One was held in April but as of June 20, the minutes were
still not available to read what occurred. Fortunately I was gone almost
two months this year and didn't have to listen to the low flying off path
planes. But as soon as I returned, less than a half hour later, I had a
low flying plane welcome me home... thanks whoever it was, I needed that.
Update: 12/30/2009:
I will be updating this page and others following it in 2009.
The Noise Abatement Task Force, despite all it's work ended up with a conclusion
of the only way there will be any relief from flight schools flying over
residential homes can be by voluntary compliance. Several people on the
task force and in the audience that attended many meetings were disappointed
that there isn't really much that can be done.
I was gone most of October and November and it was really enjoyable not hearing
loud or low flying airplanes flying over me. But since Thanksgiving, there
are still the same planes, including Embry Riddle, not flying a "suggested (but
not enforceable) path for flight schools around the airport. It's like a
open highway, with no regulatory signs or enforcement.
More coming later, including my recent complaint to the FAA on two low flying
complaints and how that complaint went no where. Also, it can kind of tell
you what to expect if you file a low flying airplane complaint.....
Links to City Commission meeting Dec. 15
1. Audio Link, go to
http://ormondbeach.org/_broadcast/OrmondBeach20091215.asx and
move the fast forward to 2:17:50 to the beginning of the airport item.
A comment made about a person on the news not being able to have a conversation
with his wife while in the front yard was about me (at 2:51:12 into the audio
portion). A commissioner found it "fantastic" and wanted to verify it.
Obviously he works and isn't home during the day and in my neighborhood. I
read into his bio online on the City web site and found he is a pilot.
Amazing, is my comment, that a pilot would think a airplane makes that much
noise.
TV Link he's talking about:
http://www.wftv.com/video/21977174/index.html
2. Minutes from the meeting (not much there, audio details it)
http://ormondbeach.org/City%20Commission/CC%202009-12-15%20Action%20Report.pdf
More on the Task Force committee findings: http://ormondbeach.org/Airport/anatf/anatf1.htm
my new email ref. airport matters: airportnoise@echelberry.org
Update: 8/8/2009: I have suspended taking videos and
photographs of airplanes flying over Tomoka Estates temporarily. I am waiting on
the next Noise Abatement Task Force meeting to see what will be recommended.
Also, flights have decreased significantly, probably due to summer vacations and
school being out. If it was like it has been the last week of July and the
first week of August I wouldn't be as concerned as I have been, but things can
change. Also, a interesting fact came up from someone commenting on one of
my you tube videos. The person said Adrian Thompson is not the sole owner
of Ormond Beach Aviation (flight school, more below). I went to the State
of Florida licensing site and searching the company name found that the
corporate name of the business has changed as of 6/2009 to Euro American School
of Aviation and includes Stephen Fisher as the COO, Adrian Thompson the CEO.
Mr. Fisher's address is in Vero Beach. Strange that Mr. Thompson said he
felt many of the airplanes causing problems at the Ormond Beach Airport were
from Vero Beach. Mr. Thompson has resigned from the Task Force, as the
paper said, "abruptly". To read the changes made to the state corporation
records click on this:
http://sunbiz.org/pdf/57354956.pdf
Note: July 14, 2009, the Ormond Beach Noise Abatement Task Force
had a workshop at the airport with task force members flying in Embry Riddle
airplanes to test flight paths. My neighborhood, Tomoka Estates is close
to the flight paths and the area of constant noise abatement violations. My
observations of the flight tests are at:
http://echelberry.org/ormond-beach-airport/flight-tests-7-14-09.htm
At one of the Task Force meetings, July 16, 2009, the test flights were
discussed. In my opinion, Embry Riddle, through Dr. Ayers, is making a
very good effort to help the Task Force establish better flight paths to
decrease noise in residential areas. No other flight schools, including
ones based at Ormond Beach Airport were at the meeting or participated in the
workshop for test flights. Also at the meeting it was noted that Mr.
Adrian Thompson, owner of Ormond Beach Aviation, has withdrawn from the Task
Force he was nominated as chairman of.
Also, at the meeting several residents are having trouble identifying airplanes.
My personal experience is that if they are directly on top it is almost
impossible to tell the N number of the plane. The numbers are usually on
the side, except in rare circumstances where a airplane was grandfathered in
with small letters and is not required to be changed until the plane is painted.
To assist some of the residents, this page will show many of the "frequent
fliers" over our neighborhoods. Information was obtained from the FAA inquiry
site (which is also on the page)
http://echelberry.org/ormond-beach-airport/registrations-flying-ormond.htm
Here are the flight paths flights planes are supposed to follow at the current
time for the Ormond Beach Airport, depending on what route the FAA tower
directs them. Directions are also reversed depending on the wind.
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North is on top. The top red area is Ormond Lakes, directly below it is Tomoka Estates. The area below the yellow line on the right is Tomoka Oaks and the Trails. |
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Note: After living near the Ormond Beach Airport since 1997 my wife and I have
seen a tremendous increase of airplanes flying continuously over our home at low
altitudes and ignoring noise abatement "requirements" from the City of Ormond
Beach. While some people say, what do you expect, you live next to an
airport. Before moving here, we researched many cities on the east and
west coast of Florida. Ormond Beach was our pick even with what was a
small municipal airport. What we have seen is a airport grow tremendously
by the use of flight schools using a "free" airport. Also, the airport was
able to receive federal funding which required the airport to be fenced in and
it was no longer public where anyone can drive inside it. Another
interesting fact is that this airport has operated in the red for many years.
Yet, several flight schools have "found a home" and obviously are profiting,
while the City of Ormond Beach loses money.
Our neighborhood does not have a homeowners association to
represent them and I have felt it is time to publish my opinion as well as facts
below. If you read the minutes of the April 13, 2009 Ormond Beach Aviation
Advisory Board, it is quite obvious that residents near the airport are "fed up"
with nothing being done about safety and noise abatement. Here is the link
for the minutes:
http://ormondbeach.org/bc/aab/AAB%202009-04-13.pdf
While I was out of town, the City Commission apparently decided to create a "90"
day Noise Abatement Task Force. I attended the first meeting and noticed
that many of the residents present did not have documentation of the planes that
are creating the problems. Therefore, I started this web page.
The City of Ormond Beach "inherited" an airport and state they cannot use it
for anything but an airport. (click
here for basic airport information) They lease out the property to MANY flight
schools, and probably the largest user is a branch off of Embry Riddle Aeronautical University of Daytona Beach. The college also uses the
Daytona Beach Airport but it must have so many airplanes and students it needs
to branch out. Another major flight school is Ormond Beach Aviation.
These planes are dangerous and fly over my and your houses. The airport
has a terrible record with the FAA involving incidents that originate there,
during take offs and landings. This is public record and goes into too
many details to describe here. The link to do a search using your own time
span can be done at:
http://www.ntsb.gov/ntsb/query.asp
I did a search from 1/1/2000 to 6/22/2009 and have the following summary
available. Click on one of the pages and it will open as a pdf file.
Summary, Ormond
Beach Incidents-Page1.pdf
Summary, Ormond
Beach Incidents-Page2.pdf
It is only a matter of time till until one of these planes crash into homes in
the area, similar to what recently occurred in Sanford, Florida. The City
of Ormond Beach has a voluntary noise abatement that absolutely means nothing.
There is no way for the City to enforce it and the flight schools fly however
they want to. Occasionally the excuse is given that there is a large
turnover of instructors and students and it is difficult for them to learn the
patterns. They also fly low altitudes and residents below have no way
to judge exactly how low they fly.
A person could make a career out of documenting how many planes fly over their
house each day but no one should have to do that. Many of the photos I have on
these pages are from time I should not need to dedicate to documenting what
planes are flying over my house. I do it when convenient and don't have the time
to constantly sit watching them. The FAA's view is that within 2.5 nautical
miles of the airport the planes can fly as low as 500 feet with no enforcement
action. Once an airplane leaves the airport it is not the responsibility of the
City of Ormond Beach. Once in the air, it is the responsibility of the
FAA. I have called the control tower to log a complaint and was told more than
once, "we instruct the pilots to climb to 1000 feet". Embry Riddle
has told the City of Ormond Beach Airport Advisory Board and is documented in
past meeting minutes that they have a problem with a high turnover of
instructors and they are not always aware of the request for noise abatement.
Think about it, these flight schools, with instructors training future pilots,
have no regard for flying at low altitudes over your homes. What kind of
pilot will these people be when they are on their own? Do the flight students take drug tests before flying
over your home? and occasionally on solo flights with no instructor guiding
them.
The FAA has a web page you can type in the airplanes number to identify the
owner. In the following photos, I obtained the owner information from this site.
Some of the photos are only the bottom of the airplane because when they fly
directly over your house it is difficult to determine the number (unless
photographed as they make the turn before going over)
http://registry.faa.gov/aircraftinquiry/NNumSQL.asp?NNumbertxt=852FA&cmndfind.x=13&cmndfind.y=16
There is sufficient land areas around the airport that the airplanes do not have
to constantly, all day and many times at night, to fly over residential areas.
If you are considering buying a house in the area, make sure you find out where
the City of Ormond Beach elected officials live and you might be living in a
much quieter area. The main affected housing development areas are: Bear
Creek, Tomoka Oaks, Broadwater, Hunters Ridge, Tomoka Estates, Ormond Lakes and
possibly more. The future development of a large area on the north side of
the airport that is in the early stages by the City of Ormond Beach is going to
be called Ormond Crossings. It will include homes and business that will
be directly under these flight paths.
At a task force meeting, the Airport Manager showed a large map of the flight
paths airplanes are supposed to follow. Hopefully, these paths will be
posted by the City of Ormond Beach and if available, I will post it here.
Most of the photos I am posting on these pages are of airplanes that DO NOT
follow the suggested path.
What kind of enforcement is there for Noise Abatement Violations? None..
The City of Ormond Beach has absolutely no action they can officially take
for airplanes or companies violating the request. At Noise Abatement Task
Force Meetings I have heard talk that if a pilot is "violating" noise abatement
he should be talked to... big deal. The City has no one to follow up on
who the pilots are or documentation of what company handled what. In
reality, the noise abatement request means nothing to pilots.
One person mentioned at the Task Force meetings that the airport is a public
airport. I have two questions which may someday be answered later.
1. Is it really public? It is fenced it, a electronic gate is at the
south entrance and the public is NOT allowed in. 2. Anyone can land a
plane there. It is called, "just like I-95, that anyone can drive on
it"...well, what about driving on I-95 in New Hampshire. It is not FREE.
There are toll booths and restrictions. The issue of maybe charging
landing fees is illegal and cannot be done because it is a public airport.
???? I think this should be a challenge.. Also, the airport director at a July
16 meeting said the airport cannot be closed after the control tower is closed
at 7 pm. It is open 24/7. Several people at that meeting complained
about night flights directly over their house and the inability to identify the
airplane due to the darkness.
In future pages added here, I will include Google Earth aerial views of the
airport area. There is absolutely no reason why repeated flight instructor
schools have to constantly fly low and with noise over residential areas.
Past aviation board minutes indicate that the students are not permitted to fly
over the ocean because of insurance restrictions. Fine, but they can fly over
the Tomoka River and the Tomoka Basin and avoid their quick returns to the
airport. This would reduce noise complaints and number one, make residents
safer.
Google Aerial
View of areas close to the airport
I have done some photographing of the habitual planes that love to fly over the
homes in Tomoka Estates. These were all taken from my
front or back yard. All photos were taken in high resolution but
reduced in size for web pages. The airplane identification numbers were
clearly visible on the original photos, unless indicated below. I also have many
videos but web size restrictions prevent me from publishing them. However,
I am starting to put some on you tube.
You Tube flights uploaded so far:
June 9 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o5NvzduyIaU |
June 13 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YX1hMHS0ZWI |
July 13 | http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-zu-npGnX6E |
In June, 2009, a Noise Abatement Task Force was formed in the City of Ormond
Beach. It is supposed to consist of 5 members living in the area and 4
members affiliated with the aviation industry. Several people questioned the
composition of the board and it was decided to proceed without going back to the
City Commission to clarify who would be on the board. A chairman was
elected (Note: he withdrew from the committee prior to
the July 16, 2009 meeting) , Adrian Thompson, who is the owner of Ormond Beach Aviation ( several of
his airplanes are in my photo collection). He
said he is also a resident living near the airport and that his planes are not
involved in ongoing noise complaints. Obviously, the planes do not fly over his
home. It will be interesting to see how this committee works to try and
reduce noise and more important safety.
Also, Mr. Thompson has commented on how much money the flight schools bring into
the City of Ormond Beach. Are you aware, Mr. Thompson owns 5 homes in
Ormond Beach. Ormond Beach Aviation offers a very low price of
accommodations for people taking flight schools. There are no hotels within
walking distance of the airport, however, they are within distance of many of
Mr. Thompson's homes. Strange coincidence. His companies web site,
http://www.flyoba.com/ shows:
Where in Ormond Beach can you get a hotel for that price? Is Mr. Thompson
paying all his bed taxes? Do people cook in his homes to save money?
How much money is actually coming back into Ormond Beach while students get a
quick course to get their license?
The area around the Ormond Beach Airport is not the only one with problems caused
by flight schools. Visit a site about New Smyrna Beach's problem and what the
nearby residents are going through at:
http://www.nsbairportnoise.com/main.htm
This webpage about Ormond Beach is not meant to be a copy of New Smyrna's
site.
Also, more pages have been added:
As pages are added I will show the date added here:
2009 - Feb. 7, 13, 25, 27, Apr 6 | This page | Added as original web page |
2009 - Apr 15, 18, 22, 24, 27 June 9, 13 |
http://www.echelberry.org/ormond-beach-airport/ormond-beach-airport-page2.htm |
Added same day as this page |
2009 - July 2, 3, 6, 7, 8 | http://www.echelberry.org/ormond-beach-airport/ormond-beach-airport-page3.htm | Added July 9, 2009 |
2009 - July 13 Quite a few planes off the flight path |
http://www.echelberry.org/ormond-beach-airport/ormond-beach-airport-page4-July-13-2009.htm | Added July 18 |
2-7-2009 2:05 PM![]() N704MH Aircraft Serial Number : 15078716 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 150M Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR Model : 0-200 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1976 Owner Name : ORMOND BEACH AVIATION INC Owner Address : 770 AIRPORT ROAD SUITE 7 ORMOND BEACH, FL, 32174 Type of Owner : Corporation non-U.S. citizen Registration Date : 14-Jul-1995 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Utility |
2-7-2009 2:34 PM![]() N9221D (Corrected 6/20/10 - I had it as 92210 & not Euro, below) Serial Number 2841030 Type Registration Non Citizen Corporation Manufacturer Name PIPER Certificate Issue Date 06/01/2010 Model PA-28-161 Status Valid Type Aircraft Fixed Wing Single-Engine Type Engine Reciprocating Pending Number Change None Dealer No Date Change Authorized None Mode S Code 53144027 MFR Year 1988 Fractional Owner NO Registered Owner Name EURO AMERICAN SCHOOL OF AVIATION INC Street 770 AIRPORT RD STE 7 City ORMOND BEACH State FLORIDA County VOLUSIA Zip Code 32174-8784 Country UNITED STATE |
2-7-2009 2:35 PM![]() N9221D (see above right column for info..) |
2-7-2009 2:39 PM![]() N614TA Aircraft Serial Number : 0080 Aircraft Manufacturer : SCHWEIZER Model : 269C-1 Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : HO-360 Aircraft Year : Owner Name : TOMLINSON AVIATION INC Owner Address : 1860 OLD TOMOKA RD W ORMOND BEACH, FL, 32174-6715 Type of Owner : Corporation Registration Date : 15-Jul-1998 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Normal |
2-13-09 5:36 PM |
2-13-09 5:37 PM![]() ![]() N25447 Aircraft Serial Number : 15280667 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 152 Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : 0-235 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1977 Owner Name : SUNRISE AVIATION INC Owner Address : 740 AIRPORT RD ORMOND BEACH, FL, 32174-8755 Type of Owner : Corporation Registration Date : 04-Nov-2008 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Utility |
2-17-2009 3:55 PM![]() N704MH Aircraft Serial Number : 15078716 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 150M Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR Model : 0-200 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1976 Owner Name : ORMOND BEACH AVIATION INC Owner Address : 770 AIRPORT ROAD SUITE 7 ORMOND BEACH, FL, 32174 Type of Owner : Corporation non-U.S. citizen Registration Date : 14-Jul-1995 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Utility |
2-17-2009 4:01 PM N259AT Aircraft Serial Number : 4496080 Aircraft Manufacturer : PIPER Model : PA-44-180 Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : O&VO-360 SER Aircraft Year : 2001 Owner Name : AIRLINE TRANSPORT PROFESSIONALS CORP OF USA Owner Address : 2711 CENTERVILLE RD STE 400 WILMINGTON, DE, 19808-1645 Type of Owner : Corporation Registration Date : 30-Oct-2001 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Normal |
2-17-2009 4:13 PM Same plane as above right, taken on same day |
2-25-2009 1:21 PM Note: This aircraft was previously identified as N26308. The correct N number is N2630B registered according to FAA as: ECHO LEASING LLC Street 561 PEARL HARBOR DR City DAYTONA BEACH State FLORIDA County VOLUSIA |
2-25-2009 1:21 PM Same plane as above right |
2-25-2009 1:26 PM![]() Same plane as above flying different direction |
2-25-2009 2:34 PM NOTE THE 3 STRIPES, INDICATING EMBRY RIDDLE UNIV. ![]() N464ER Aircraft Serial Number : 172S10288 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 172S Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : IO-360-L2A Aircraft Year : 2006 Owner Name : AVN AIR LLC Owner Address : 44 OLD RIDGEBURY RD DANBURY, CT, 06810-5107 Type of Owner : Corporation Registration Date : 02-Nov-2006 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Normal |
2-25-2009 3:23 PM N714DF Aircraft Serial Number : 15079091 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 150M Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR Model : 0-200 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1976 Owner Name : ORMOND BEACH AVIATION INC Owner Address : 770 AIRPORT RD STE 7 ORMOND BEACH, FL, 32174-8784 Type of Owner : Corporation non-U.S. citizen Registration Date : 02-Apr-1999 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Utility |
2-27-2009 1:33 PM N704MH Aircraft Serial Number : 15078716 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 150M Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR Model : 0-200 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1976 Owner Name : ORMOND BEACH AVIATION INC Owner Address : 770 AIRPORT ROAD SUITE 7 ORMOND BEACH, FL, 32174 Type of Owner : Corporation non-U.S. citizen Registration Date : 14-Jul-1995 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Utility
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2-27-2009 1:35 PM Unidentified low flying plane |
2-27-2009 1:35 PM N402PE Aircraft Serial Number : 17280594 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 172R Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : I0360 SER Aircraft Year : 1998 Owner Name : DOLPHIN LEASING LLC Owner Address : 561 PEARL HARBOR DR DAYTONA BEACH, FL, 32114-3845 Type of Owner : Corporation Registration Date : 03-Nov-2005 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Normal |
2-27-2009 1:46 PM N704MH Aircraft Serial Number : 15078716 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 150M Engine Manufacturer : CONT MOTOR Model : 0-200 SERIES Aircraft Year : 1976 Owner Name : ORMOND BEACH AVIATION INC Owner Address : 770 AIRPORT ROAD SUITE 7 ORMOND BEACH, FL, 32174 Type of Owner : Corporation non-U.S. citizen Registration Date : 14-Jul-1995 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Utility |
2-27-2009 1:46 PM N605FT ORMOND BEACH AVIATION INC 770 AIRPORT RD STE 7 ORMOND BEACH ,FLORIDA Type Registration Non Citizen Corporation |
4-6-2009![]() N35549 Aircraft Serial Number : 172S8957 Aircraft Manufacturer : CESSNA Model : 172S Engine Manufacturer : LYCOMING Model : I0360 SER Aircraft Year : 2001 Owner Name : ECHO LEASING LLC Owner Address : 561 PEARL HARBOR DR DAYTONA BEACH, FL, 32114-3845 Type of Owner : Corporation Registration Date : 29-Nov-2005 Airworthiness Certificate Type : Standard Approved Operations : Normal
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